Title, and also other items like it that prevent run drain. (Alchs are fine, anything that gains exp should be fine while running)
Is it considered bug abuse, or is it just going to be a thing that’s allowed forever now?
I’ll be genuine and say after I tried it for 20 minutes, I’m against it’s use and long term users should receive a ban duration for half the amount of play time they were using it.
That’s just me, probably will get flamed, might not even be allowed to talk about it, but it’s really unfair to everyone else who never used it.
There will always be people that will put up disingenuous
points llike “What about 3 ticking? should we ban that too?” but run is suppose to be a “limiting mechanic” that impacts everyone over many things, ignoring the energy mechanic almost entirely is what I would consider a game breaking exploit.
Alching while running does effectively the exact same thing, so I don’t see how they could ban for this and not that, although I admit that at least alching has some cost to stall run energy loss, and is not “infinite”. It also kinda fully invalidates a whole skill (agility) outside of the like 10 shortcuts/obstacles in the game currently.
I’d like to hear from a mod on this too because It would be really nice to use on my (likely) upcoming 59 RC grind.
I predict it’s going to be “allowed” because it would probably take too much work to moderate but I’m still against that.
And I agree with what you said about alching, i’m not against people doing that. The book/doll thing though after doing it myself I’m really not for it, it’s just wrong to me.
Actions that only result in stopping your run energy from draining that don’t achieve anything else shouldn’t be allowed in my eyes.
There are things that are actually against the rules that are no where near as bad as this is.
It’s a slippery slope arguing what mechanics are / are not ok to dodge. The running/mobility mechanics are one of the games “great equalizers” and people avoiding that specific equalization is problematic, as it takes 0 skill to achieve it.
You’re suppose to give up resource to maintain greater mobility, it’s not suppose to be “for free”
Haven’t tried it yet myself, been doing combat training since Mudkips vid dropped. I’m not opposed to it per se, it seems like it would be an interesting addition to this era of the game and maybe create some new meta which I think is kinda cool, but I’m curious when this interface stall stuff stopped making run drain slower, because this being the meta until 2012 sounds terrible.
There’s always going to be people like you and then people like me.
There’s plenty of things wrong with it, but I’m not here to argue, I think this is something the playerbase should actually vote about.
I’ll say this:
My interest in the game just went from 99% to about 3% as in I’m gunna go from playing multiple hours a day every day to logging in once a week to say Hi.
That’s not going to be everyone but it’s going to be me lol.
It really comes down to philosophy: is stalling a bug or a mechanic?
Given that it has been explicitly stated that the Lost City project will intentionally introduce authentic bugs so long as they don’t break the economy, I think there’s a strong case that the devs consider this a mechanic. If they didn’t want players to take advantage of a bug in the original game, why would they add it in the first place? Just to trick players into breaking the rules?
I don’t like that this is in the game, and I don’t intend to use it myself, but I also don’t think anyone should get banned over this. If it is decided by the mods/devs that this is a bug and has no place in the game, they should patch it out (at least on the official server, leaving the authentic bug available for personal servers).
This was not necessarily intentionally added but could be a result of 2 mechanics interacting in an unexpected way, that’s how most bugs occur - unaccounted for edge cases. Whether that’s an authentic bug or not I’m not sure, I think Mudkip said he thought it was authentic.
If they did have to add some intentional bug here however I would agree that would make it hard to justify bans for abuse.
But I agree this all comes down to mod decision, which is why I’m waiting to hear from them before making a trek back into the pass lol.
What this does is make a joke out of everyone who has honestly dedicated themselves to playing this server, that’s exactly what this does.
You can use whatever fancy word games all you want - no one was doing this 20 years ago, and they would of been banned if they were caught doing this. I saw Jagex ban people for less then this, it’s blatant abuse - this is just as serious as alting is as you can bring in many times more resources into the game then you were ever intended to, it blatantly impacts the market - it’s not just a highscores pissing contest thing, it breaks the balance of the game for all players.
Even if some people were doing this decades ago there was a base of 100k players, probably 5 - 10 people max doing that?
Where as here it’s going to be 1000 players constantly mashing their book to run forever and we’re going to sit here and say “It’s authentic” - give me a break.
If that’s what you guys wanna play, then play it :') I’ll log in to say hello now and then but I’m not personally gunna play that.
You want to on and on about authentic, the authentic experience would of been: “Oh you’ve been doing this with impunity/100s of times? ok you’re banned.” even if it was part of the game.
There was also ways to kill people in the runecrafting abyss back in the day and take all their rares. (Jagex banned people for that.) when that happens we’re going to call it “authentic” too :') ?
No crash out from me, I’m not even going to bother logging in until this is spoken about.
To play with people that achieve double my rate through exploit is not worth my time.
Call it “authentic” if you want, it’s authentically an exploit that costs you no resource, and even less skill then alching to achieve, it’s a bug and you would have action taken against your account if you were caught in the days of old.
In one of the interviews, Pazaz said polling was the “worst part about OSRS”
Overall though, your title and poll are misleading. It’s not an exploit, and it’s not about fairness. There’s a lot of things in the game that aren’t fair.
And tbh I don’t see the issue - Is it that people were doing it before you knew about it? Or that you don’t want to do it? Or that you don’t think it fits the vibe?
Personally I won’t be doing it because I just play the game for fun and don’t really care. For me, it was authentic that other players were higher leveled. But if the mods decide to remove it or ban based on it, I’d support that too.
Mods obviously need to make a decision. Personally don’t care either way. I haven’t used it yet but it’s authentic.
Pray flicking, tick manipulation, etc would seem like bug abuse but they were all around back in the day. We just have more knowledge of the game engine now.
The staff already made a decision when they said they would INTRODUCE nostalgic bugs that won’t break the game.
This is a mechanic that existed because of how the game was coded. EVERYONE can use it. It’s not a disadvantage so shut up and enjoy what 2004 was really like.
The cost is having to do underground pass and clicking 2 things (minimap and book) every time you want to exploit it. As much as I don’t like it (and believe me, I don’t like it), there’s no sense in having a meltdown about it. If the mods wanted it to be a bannable offense, they would have said something already while they try to work on a fix. Until they do (if ever), just do your own thing. No one’s taking away from your authentic bug-free experience. Letting other people indirectly control your playtime is asinine.
Even if I knew about this before anyone else I’d still want it to be shunned.
There are tons of avenues for it to be abused especially by low level accounts that are here to farm the game.
That alone (never mind EVERYTHING ELSE) should be all i need to say why the item shouldn’t be appeased.
Having accounts with level 1 agility achieve feats that even level 99 agility cannot is a problem, and it’s intellectually dishonest to pretend that it’s not.
To not use an alch to achieve it is a problem as there is no barrier to entry and you get to do it always - it’s an RWTers wet dream.
I’m 99 magic, I don’t even need to alch anymore so this would massively benefit me, I’m against this because it’s wrong. man. It’s just that simple.