I hope the rats over in the rat gang and their leader king rat aka vancouver cant use streamer privilege to break the rules with that pooling fund stake again 
Its not a good look
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pretty sure they stated pooling funds was against TOS.
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it is against the rules… but they live streamed it and got away with it anyways… pretty negligent if you ask me
here is the link for reference of them blatantly pooling money / side betting with no action taken https://kick.com/vanc/videos/831e93cd-6ad6-47ce-a689-6d651caa968c
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Honestly, it should just be allowed. I don’t get why pooling funds ever wouldn’t be, or gambling at all. It wasn’t against RuneScape’s rules until 2013. The community is small, so RWT isn’t hard to crack down on. Just allow us to do it. People clearly like gambling. Why not give them what they want and just let those who don’t want it not engage with it?
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I don’t care if its allowed or not. What bugs me is the streamer privilege of them not being punished for it. Also it wasnt against TOS back in the day however I cant recall anyone staking like that so…
Regardless of why or how the rules came to be, they are there and must be respected.
There shouldn’t be any disparity between players nonetheless be given pardon based off contribution.
It does clearly state that what was done is against the rules, hopefully the right eyes see this & greater minds prevail.
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We’ve been discussing this internally. Nobody has been punished for duel arena-related offences yet so there is no disparity between players, rest assured. There will be a newspost soon and we’ll start cleaning things up after that.
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thank god in branon we trust
Yeah its cooked they shouldve acted on it but ofc its a streamer and they dont want to upset anyone with a following back to osrs i go
I don’t see this anywhere. In fact all the RWT related rules I’ve seen are explicitly allowing clans to work together, as long as there’s no outside-the-game favors or payment being made
It says may result in a permanent ban, “unless” nothing. All rules are enforced at our discretion. Again nobody has been banned for this yet, streamers or otherwise.
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I think the intention of the rule, despite its somewhat unclear wording, is that pooling GP for the purpose of gambling is not allowed. Pooling GP for other reasons is totally fine.
I personally disagree with banning any in-game use of your GP, even real-world trading. It’s difficult to philosophically differentiate real-world trading through currency from other legitimate trade practices in a concrete manner. For example, you real-world traded your camaraderie and friendship with many people in order to get in-game advantages before the server was even released. If you ever made friends who have a reason to help you for anything not related directly to the game, then you effectively gave them a service (your friendship) which they deemed valuable enough to offer a reciprocal benefit in return (assisting you in RuneScape). If my best friend rolled an account and needed help getting started up, I’d toss him a rune axe and some cash for reasons wholly unrelated to the game itself. This is tantamount to just giving someone gold for money.
Now, while I get that RWT is never being unsanctioned despite my philosophical misgivings with the rule as a whole, the gambling rule seems like a bizarre one. Firstly, it wasn’t even banned until around the time OSRS released in 2013, well beyond the server’s projected timeframe. Secondly, the reasons don’t seem to make a lot of sense. I was told by branon that gambling is banned for a few reasons:
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Players gamble more than they did or would have in 2004. While this may be true, it’s a flimsy argument that doesn’t really justify banning the practice. People boss more than they would have in 2004, they tick manipulate more than they would have in 2004, and they value certain items more or less than they would in 2004. Player attitudes toward some activity shouldn’t be a reason to alter the game itself. That is far less authentic than just leaving it how it is and allowing the now-matured player-base to exploit it how they deem fit with their modern knowledge. This is a server which leaves IP-based PID, a pretty much objectively bad aspect of the game’s design, inside the game just for the sake of historical preservation. Gambling should be left in for the same reason, and in fact, the reason for leaving this untouched is better, since this is something the community actively accepts and wants to do according to the very argument I am countering here.
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It leads to more real-world trading, and real-world trading could jeopardize the long-term prosperity of the game due to potential legal risks. While this may in fact be true (and despite not being fully convinced of the legal issues, a point I’m fully willing to grant for the sake of argument), there are already rules against real-world trading, and the community is small enough (at least for now) that actioning accounts which real-world trade shouldn’t be that difficult. The fact that I have seen no examples yet of blatant botting or multi-accounting in my week playing on the server is a testament to the efficacy of the mod team when it comes to issuing out bans to rule-breakers. I’m not fully convinced that this is an issue that isn’t resolvable by just continuing to ban people who engage in real-world trading. It takes a long time to build your account back up on the server, so catching someone can put them out of commission for quite some time.
I do recall there being another reason branon gave for why gambling is banned, but I don’t remember exactly what it was and the conversation has since been scrubbed from the Discord chat. If branon or another staff member would like to expound on the reasoning or raise some counter-arguments to my points, I’d love to hear them.
get out of here. we don’t need gamblers or others messing with the integrity of the game. also get that RWT talk out of here.
You’ve made a blanket assertion without supporting evidence or argument. What about gambling messes with the game’s integrity? I actually tried to address this point by arguing that modern players can choose how to engage with mechanics, and that banning it for integrity’s sake is inconsistent with other tolerated mechanics. Furthermore, I wasn’t advocating for RWT, but discussing it critically and philosophically. Telling me to stop even talking about it misunderstands my intent and also borders on suppressing discourse.
Your response is reactionary and lacks thoughtful engagement. It may resonate emotionally with players who are strongly anti-gambling/RWT, but it adds no value to the conversation. If anything, it may undermine the legitimacy of the anti-gambling position by making it seem rooted in emotional disdain rather than reasoned principles.
take your reasonable principles out of here we just want a chill fun experience without others trying to ruin it. let us enjoy the past without you trying to ruin it with the presents problems.
Runescape Classic had dueling all over the game, not just in the Arena. Lots of people think PVP and staking is the “end game content” for RS. Your dream world of removing parts of the game you don’t like for “integrity” would take a lot of people you interact with on a daily basis out
Rwit put a huge hurting on the game. It brought way to many resources into the game. That only fueled the inflation problem in the game. And it put the players in a bad spot. Nevermind it gave players an unfair advantage to be able to buy their skills in a competitive game based on a high scores system.
Jagex fought long and hard on it. Using countless resources to battle it. And ultimately came up with trade restrictions and the ge to combat it. One of those is that the game boomed. The population spiked. Worlds were crowded. Bots taking up resource places beating out pkayers. And they with all their money had trouble combating it.
Now how do you expect a labor of love server like these with no finacial benefit to invest the time and money Jagex couldnt even keep up with to battle rwiters? So of course they want to head this off at the pass. And prevent it before it starts. But they also dont want to effect the player base that is growing. Thats a tough tight rope to walk.
Now i have a different insight then some here. I was a player mod in runescape from around 2006 up until the eoc when i quit runescape. I worked with Jagex to combat these bots and rwiters. I saw how hard they fought. And the lanks they went to try and stop it while keeping players out of the crossfire.
The population is small now. That is true. But this year means more to players then osrs. I can see as word of mouth of these servers spread the population will continue to boom. Which will bring in more people wanting to bot. And rwit. My hope is that jagex learn of these servers. And rather then shut them down. Instead put it under their wing and offer it as another option for players. So they would give players anothervoption.
Right now this is in a grey area. Copyright relies on 2 main principles. The first is some one that profits off their ip. That is not a problem as this is offered free from the kindness and hard work of the devs.
The second is damage to the brand. Allowing bots rule breakers and rwiting would and could be seen as damaging the brand. That could lead to a cease and desist. So going forwards they have to be careful. And to protect their project. And these servers we have all been falling in love with. And keep in mind if you dont like how they run these servers you are free to use the open source to create your own servers and do things however you wish. I hope players can understand this. There is a method to the madness.
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While I understand your concerns with real-world trading and botting, I think they’re a bit misguided. The suggestion that real-world trading being allowed necessarily means there will be bot armies is not accurate. The mods seem to have pretty good bot protection as it is, as I haven’t yet spotted a blatant botter. I don’t think that bot detection and action against them would diminish just because real-world trading was allowed.
That said, nobody here is advocating for real-world trading to be permitted on the server. All we want is a totally free economy. Allowing players to use their GP however they please, including for gambling or pooling funds, is part of that economic freedom. And while I believe that RuneScape never should have had a rule against real-world trading in the first place, it has since the beginning, and I believe that maintaining that authenticity holds a lot of value for the historical accuracy of the server, just as permitting gambling does as well.